(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[5400]OT[5x60 byo-yomi]
GN[2008 North American Ing Masters Round 2 - 2008 US Go Congress - Ned Phipps (7d) vs Jie Liang (8d)]PW[Ned Phipps (7d)]PB[Jie Liang (8d)]DT[2008-08-05]EV[North American Ing Masters]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Paul Hardin]RE[B+3.00]
;B[dp]
;W[pd]
;B[pp]
;AE[pp]AB[dc]
;W[pp]
;B[nc]
;W[ce]
;B[qf]
;W[oe]
;B[qc]C[USGO7 [-\]: Welcome to Round 2 of the North American Ing Masters Tournament being played at the 2008 US Go Congress.
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;W[ed]
;B[ec]
;W[fd]
;B[gc]C[USGO7 [-\]: Each player has 90 minutes. Komi is 8 stones (Ing Rules).
USGO7 [-\]: 5 Periods of byo yomi of 1 minute each.
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;W[cj]
;B[qn]
;W[np]C[USGO7 [-\]: We are in beatiful Portland Oregon on the Portland State University Campus.
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;B[rp]C[USGO7 [-\]: It has been a warm day, for Western Oregon, with temperatures in the 80's (F).
USGO7 [-\]: All the windows here are open to let in the cooling evening breeze.
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;W[ql]
;B[qq]
;W[qo]
;B[po]
;W[fc]
;B[fb]
;W[gd]C[USGO7 [-\]: Ned is shaking his head and looking at the ceiling. I don't think he liked that last move.
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;B[hc]
;W[pn]
;B[oo]
;W[qp]
;B[ro]
;W[rn]
;B[qm]
;W[rm]
;B[pm]
;W[op]
;B[no]
;W[so]
;B[rr]
;W[sp]
;B[rq]C[GeorgeW [-\]: May I ask who are the recorders this evening?
USGO7 [-\]: I am Paul Hardin
GeorgeW [-\]: Hi, is Calvin recording tonight?
USGO7 [-\]: I do not know Calvin, so can not say. I do not know all the recorders.
GeorgeW [-\]: Ah, young Asian kid
USGO7 [-\]: The options menu should tell you the transcriber for each game.
USGO7 [-\]: I see no young transcribers this evening.
GeorgeW [-\]: Ah okay thank you
USGO7 [-\]: np
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;W[pr]
;B[pl]
;W[qk]
;B[pk]
;W[qj]
;B[mp]
;W[mq]
;B[lq]
;W[mr]
;B[or]C[USGO7 [-\]: This is going to get interesting.
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;W[pq]
;B[ps]C[GeorgeW [-\]: hmmm cant see white getting out of this without a big outside loss
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;W[qs]C[GeorgeW [-\]: p1, o3, rm2, m4, n5, l3, l2, k2
USGO7 [-\]: Cool, let's see how close you are. :-)
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;B[os]C[USGO7 [-\]: p1
GeorgeW [-\]: cant see any other way out of it
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;W[nq]
;B[lr]
;W[ls]
;B[jr]C[USGO7 [-\]: Good call.
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;W[qr]C[GeorgeW [-\]: ehh
GeorgeW [-\]: guess i was wrong
USGO7 [-\]: Close, very close.
GeorgeW [-\]: still takes a drubbing on the outside
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;B[qd]C[USGO7 [-\]: Agreed, not a good corner for w.
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;W[dn]
;B[fp]
;W[fn]
;B[ie]
;W[gb]C[USGO7 [-\]: It looks like boards 3 & 4 have finished.
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;B[eb]
;W[ff]
;B[og]
;W[le]
;B[kd]
;W[mo]
;B[lp]C[GeorgeW [-\]: Lots of these joseki mistakes then lose games
USGO7 [-\]: It would seem so.
GeorgeW [-\]: Though in board 4 it just seems like Richard didn't handle the invasion well
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;W[nn]
;B[on]
;W[om]
;B[pn]C[USGO7 [-\]: Nice way to get instant presence.
USGO7 [-\]: Though it seems weak.
USGO7 [-\]: Better than nothing.
GeorgeW [-\]: problem is follow up
USGO7 [-\]: Agreed.
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;W[ld]
;B[lc]
;W[kc]C[USGO7 [-\]: Board 13 has finished.
appleseeds [4k?\]: who was playing there?
USGO7 [-\]: I can not see the player board from where I sit.
USGO7 [-\]: Sorry.
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;B[jd]
;W[mc]
;B[lb]
;W[mb]
;B[kb]
;W[nd]
;B[nb]
;W[pj]
;B[nm]C[USGO7 [-\]: I notice that Sueng Hyun Hong is playing on board 2, I had the pleasure of playing her 9 year old daughter in the US Open this morning.
GeorgeW [-\]: You win?
USGO7 [-\]: Barely.
GeorgeW [-\]: How strong is she/you?
USGO7 [-\]: When her attention span is longer I will not stand a chance.
USGO7 [-\]: 16 k
GeorgeW [-\]: Ah, you play kids often?
GeorgeW [-\]: 12 and under always play super fast
USGO7 [-\]: Yes, this is why, when I realized her superior strength in theory, I slowed the game down.
USGO7 [-\]: It was all that saved me.
USGO6 [-\]: Next time, not so much?
GeorgeW [-\]: Well it's also calmness
GeorgeW [-\]: Kids tend to play greedily
GeorgeW [-\]: I found that out at Oza
USGO6 [-\]: and some adults, ;D
GeorgeW [-\]: Ahaha well I'm saying you can usually count on them to do so
USGO7 [-\]: I think she is learning faster than I am. Next time she will need to give me some handicap.
GeorgeW [-\]: How old are you if I may ask?
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;W[lg]C[USGO7 [-\]: I am 43 and have a 9 year old daughter at home.
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;B[jg]C[GeorgeW [-\]: Ah well youth does help in the improvement department :)
GeorgeW [-\]: Plus I imagine a 7d dad helps as well
USGO7 [-\]: In a sense, I could not loose.
USGO7 [-\]: Had she beaten me, I would have felt vicarious pride in her.
GeorgeW [-\]: Eh?
USGO7 [-\]: hmm, maybe vicarious is the wrong word there... 
USGO7 [-\]: Can't think of the right word... too much go. :-)
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;W[ok]C[GeorgeW [-\]: haha
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;B[mn]C[GeorgeW [-\]: now those earlier forcing moves might be questioned
GeorgeW [-\]: can't see what white got out of them
USGO7 [-\]: yes.
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;W[nh]C[USGO7 [-\]: And time: w-34:55 b-53:00
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;B[dj]C[USGO7 [-\]: Board 8 has ended.
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;W[ck]
;B[dh]C[USGO7 [-\]: I can not tell who won.
USGO7 [-\]: White won on 8.
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;W[ci]
;B[fh]
;W[ch]
;B[ng]
;W[mg]
;B[oh]C[USGO7 [-\]: Jie spent a long while staring intently at the upper left corner.
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;W[ni]
;B[li]C[GeorgeW [-\]: i dont see whats there
GeorgeW [-\]: but i think black may be planning to attach at g6?
USGO7 [-\]: Niether do I.
USGO7 [-\]: Yes, this makes sense to me too... but I am not in their league.
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;W[oc]
;B[ma]C[GeorgeW [-\]: I can make some comments, but in competition i am not strong enough to match
GeorgeW [-\]: give me another year and i will at dc
USGO7 [-\]: Too far for me. Maybe next year I will be watching you on KGS. :-)
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;W[md]C[GeorgeW [-\]: Do you have a KGS Account?
USGO7 [-\]: Yes, StoneSoup.
GeorgeW [-\]: Maybe you watched me in April?
GeorgeW [-\]: sec, brb
USGO7 [-\]: I recently changed jobs and have not been doing go for a while.
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;B[oi]
;W[oj]
;B[mh]
;W[mj]
;B[qh]C[Confuse24 [3k\]: gw
USGO7 [-\]: gw?
GeorgeW [-\]: ?
GeorgeW [-\]: That would usually be referring to me
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;W[kh]C[USGO7 [-\]: ah.
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;B[lj]
;W[ji]
;B[jj]
;W[ij]
;B[ii]C[USGO7 [-\]: time w- 20:30 b- 42:00
GeorgeW [-\]: Byo yomi is 5x1:00?
USGO7 [-\]: yes.
USGO7 [-\]: Ned shakes his head and checks on Jie's time.
GeorgeW [-\]: no matter what black's gonna get a respectable amount of points in the center
USGO7 [-\]: and in the upper right... and in the lower left...
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;W[ih]C[USGO7 [-\]: w has his work cut out for him... and little time to do it in.
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;B[hi]
;W[kj]
;B[jk]C[USGO7 [-\]: Jie seems unhappy with this sequence.
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;W[ki]
;B[kk]
;W[lk]
;B[ll]
;W[mk]C[GeorgeW [-\]: too much sacrifice i guess
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;B[gn]C[GeorgeW [-\]: see
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;W[gm]
;B[hn]C[GeorgeW [-\]: I was right
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;W[fo]
;B[gp]C[USGO7 [-\]: You were!
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;W[cp]
;B[cq]
;W[co]
;B[ks]
;W[ms]
;B[bq]
;W[bc]C[GeorgeW [-\]: d8?
USGO7 [-\]: time b 39 w 11
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;B[dd]
;W[de]
;B[dg]C[xlightx [6k\]: a 6 big g 11 might be interesting 
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;W[cg]
;B[hm]
;W[gl]
;B[hk]C[USGO7 [-\]: These players seem more into slow building than dramatic jumps.
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;W[fj]C[USGO7 [-\]: Proves me wrong. :-)
USGO7 [-\]: Still just a knight's extention though.
xlightx [6k\]: time?
USGO7 [-\]: I will get time in a minute...
USGO7 [-\]: can not see the b time.
USGO7 [-\]: w: 6:55 b: 34:00
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;B[gj]
;W[fk]
;B[jh]C[USGO7 [-\]: time b: 27:00 w: 5:00
GeorgeW [-\]: Eeeeeek I don't think I'll last through this game
USGO7 [-\]: I will not report time after this.
USGO7 [-\]: byo yomi does not permit simple time keeping.
USGO7 [-\]: If you are on EC time... it is late.
GeorgeW [-\]: I am
USGO7 [-\]: Or, is it early?
GeorgeW [-\]: Well too early
USGO7 [-\]: :)
xlightx [6k\]: 1240
xlightx [6k\]: eastern :P
GeorgeW [-\]: Well Eric finally won his
USGO7 [-\]: Morning... Good morning to you all on the East Coast.
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;W[bp]C[USGO7 [-\]: That is the board directly behind me.
USGO7 [-\]: Board 6 is done.
GeorgeW [-\]: Ack too late I'm off
GeorgeW [-\]: good chatting
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;B[bd]
;W[cd]
;B[bb]C[USGO7 [-\]: Thanks for watching on KGS. :-)
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;W[cc]
;B[cb]
;W[ri]C[xlightx [6k\]: w still hasnt resigned?
USGO7 [-\]: no
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;B[pb]C[USGO7 [-\]: w starts byo yomi
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;W[rg]
;B[rf]
;W[ab]
;B[di]
;W[ob]
;B[oa]
;W[da]
;B[ea]
;W[hb]
;B[ic]
;W[ba]C[Violet [2d\]: ko?
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;B[db]
;W[pc]
;B[qb]
;W[na]
;B[nb]
;W[gh]C[Johnny5 [7k\]: USGO7, did you guys get the fire alarm as well?
NoKnott [-\]: I am told that the bulding was evacuated.
Johnny5 [7k\]: Yeah, apparently so
Johnny5 [7k\]: One of the guys in USGO1's game is there and said there was a natural gas smell
Johnny5 [7k\]: So they evacuated to try and fix the problem
csgo [?\]: f11?
Johnny5 [7k\]: f11 does seem like it would do the job of connecting
weak888 [1k\]: black 4 stones are cut
Johnny5 [7k\]: which 4 stones?
Eru [3k\]: what sequence do you see
weak888 [1k\]: d10-13
Johnny5 [7k\]: f11 should save them no problem though
Eru [3k\]: tell the sequence
Johnny5 [7k\]: yes, please
weak888 [1k\]: if f-11,then g-11
Eru [3k\]: maybe black thinking of a better responce or something
Eru [3k\]: but it works for me
Eru [3k\]: f11 g11 g13 
katori15 [4k\]: f11 g11 g13 h12 h10 h13 h14 see,s dead
Eru [3k\]: maybe black wants f13 g13 e14 e15 g14 f15 h14 
Eru [3k\]: no... nvm
Eru [3k\]: it's bad
Eru [3k\]: missread
Eru [3k\]: f11 should be fine tho
katori15 [4k\]: f11 g13 g11 
m100 [3d\]: is this being played?
Kashomon [5k\]: yes
katori15 [4k\]: gas leak has put it on hold
Kashomon [5k\]: ah
NoKnott [-\]: We don't have much info, but it seems building was evacuated due to possible gas leak.  I will wait one hour, if games resume I can shout in the main rooms.
NoKnott [-\]: It's official, games are postponed until after the US Open games tomorrow, will be resumed about 1pm PST.
NoKnott [-\]: Sorry for the disruption, thanks for watching.
USGO7 [-\]: Hello Everyone, this is the continuation of the 2nd round game from Monday evenings North American Ing Championship which was adjourned last night due to a potential gas leak in the building.  We will be resuming the Game in 3 minutes.
fairgo1 [10k\]: there was a gas leak?
fairgo1 [10k\]: O_O
Hikaruwaya [3k\]: great move
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;B[gg]
;W[fg]
;B[fi]
;W[hg]
;B[do]
;W[cn]
;B[kg]
;W[lh]
;B[dk]
;W[dl]
;B[el]
;W[ek]
;B[dm]
;W[cl]
;B[gk]
;W[fl]
;B[rh]
;W[aq]
;B[ar]
;W[ap]
;B[br]
;W[hh]
;B[hf]
;W[gf]
;B[ig]
;W[he]C[acellist1 [5k\]: f7 tenuki e6 e5 tenuki c7 =quadruple atari! We want to see quadruple atari!
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;B[if]
;W[ac]
;B[ib]
;W[ml]
;B[lm]C[Singer [10k\]: Is b totally dead in the bottom right, or is it some kind of weird seki?
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;W[sh]
;B[qg]C[mate105 [2d\]: dead
coo31k [-\]: wat if B played t3
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;W[ol]
;B[lo]C[coo31k [-\]: u could get those stones
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;W[eo]
;B[ep]
;W[sg]
;B[sf]
;W[si]
;B[qi]
;W[rj]C[Rossk [-\]: still b gets only 1.5 eyes at s2 group, so it will die ... and p1/p4 groups are in seki so ... w wins it all, am i right?
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;B[gi]
;W[gg]C[mate105 [2d\]: but in return white get point too
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;B[nf]C[mate105 [2d\]: points
coo31k [-\]: yea
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;W[mf]
;B[df]
;W[cf]
;B[hd]C[Rossk [-\]: but b wins game?
coo31k [-\]: it would seem
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;W[ee]C[Knotwilg [2d\]: q15 biggest?
Rossk [-\]: q14?
SadShape [1k\]: Who is ahead?
coo31k [-\]: b
SadShape [1k\]: thx
coo31k [-\]: np
AndrewY [10k\]: One look at teh board tells me b is ahead. xD
coo31k [-\]: lol
lubricated [5k\]: its close than you think andrew
lubricated [5k\]: but yes
AndrewY [10k\]: lubricated. You have me all wrong. I don't think. Thats why I win my games. ^.^
Rossk [-\]: =P
Malingo [4d\]: w<
Rocker [4d\]: somebody farted toxic gas in the room?
Malingo [4d\]: w win i think
lubricated [5k\]: lol your account started at 10k =p
Rossk [-\]: seems so yes
coo31k [-\]: lol
]
;B[pe]
;W[pf]
;B[qe]C[Rossk [-\]: p14 ^^
]
;W[of]C[Rossk [-\]: well this no interesting any more
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;B[ne]C[lubricated [5k\]: yose isn't very fun to watch
lubricated [5k\]: ima go watch BBW
fairgo1 [10k\]: bbw?
celebrir [1k\]: why isn't yose interesting ? oO
coo31k [-\]: wats yose
AndrewY [10k\]: No clue. Yose is my best part of the game. xD
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;W[go]
;B[ho]C[AndrewY [10k\]: Yose is endgame coo
coo31k [-\]: o ok thx
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;W[ge]C[AndrewY [10k\]: Black should H8, and force E7 to be played. xD
memememe4 [?\]: come on b h8
memememe4 [?\]: and w don't e7
Knotwilg [2d\]: K14
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;B[nl]C[Knotwilg [2d\]: L14
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;W[nk]
;B[mm]C[Knotwilg [2d\]: strange gote?
fujichan [2k\]: H8
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;W[ke]C[Deich [5k\]: l14
Knotwilg [2d\]: L15 bigger than all
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;B[hl]C[memememe4 [?\]: ye
Deich [5k\]: k15
AndrewY [10k\]: k15 would be stupid here for w
memememe4 [?\]: are you sure?
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: h8 seems bigger because it was sente ... :x
Knotwilg [2d\]: H8 is not sent
Deich [5k\]: k15 is not stupid
Dragonette [6k\]: k15 is gote though, gote for 1 point
AndrewY [10k\]: It is if B doesn't play E10. If b ignores E10 then it would be sente...
AndrewY [10k\]: If w K15 B will Kill F8 group
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: wh8 bl15 wj8 is better for black than wl15 bh8  ?
Radley [-\]: how Andrew?
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;W[eg]
;B[ej]
;W[em]C[AndrewY [10k\]: With E7
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;B[eh]C[Dragonette [6k\]: E7 doesn't kill
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;W[je]C[Deich [5k\]: e7 dosnt work
Dragonette [6k\]: just semedori
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;B[pg]
;W[od]C[memememe4 [?\]: l14
]
;B[pi]C[Deich [5k\]: l14
Deich [5k\]: and done
]
;W[kf]C[Deich [5k\]: j16
Radley [-\]: well, N15
lob: n15 lol
memememe4 [?\]: c19
Dragonette [6k\]: N15 is better
]
;B[me]
;W[mi]
;B[ca]
;W[nc]
;B[na]C[JeansebL [2d?\]: jigo ?
GeorgeW [-\]: B+3
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;W[ef]
;B[aa]C[Batavia [5k\]: any endgame moves at t3?
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;W[fa]
;B[ga]
;W[ba]C[AndrewY [10k\]: Now yes. xD
eurogotv [-\]: where is the live tv stream?
GeorgeW [-\]: no
TanGeng [1d?\]: t6
Alenchon [6k\]: no tv
memememe4 [?\]: s8
]
;B[rl]
;W[sl]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: s8 is better
Knotwilg [2d\]: W has 8 liberties in the eye
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;B[aa]
;W[la]C[miao [5d\]: t3= thousend step ko
memememe4 [?\]: is b thinking about a trade
]
;B[ka]
;W[ba]C[Deich [5k\]: b wins anyway schouldnt play the hopless ko
dragonjade [11k\]: black win I agree
]
;B[sm]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: black has no way to win this ko
AndrewY [10k\]: But ko is fun. xD
]
;W[rk]
;B[aa]
;W[pa]
;B[qa]
;W[ba]C[dragonjade [11k\]: why white play in q19 ? 
]
;B[sk]C[Dragonette [6k\]: ko threat
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;W[sn]
;B[aa]C[dragonjade [11k\]: ok, thx
Deich [5k\]: k14
Deich [5k\]: o no lol
]
;W[kr]C[Dragonette [6k\]: k14 is self-atari
Deich [5k\]: haha
Dragonette [6k\]: lol
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;B[kq]
;W[ba]
;B[id]
;W[lf]
;B[aa]
;W[js]
;B[is]
;W[ba]C[AndrewY [10k\]: B can P3
memememe4 [?\]: I think w will win the ko
AndrewY [10k\]: And force moves there still.
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;B[jf]
;W[aa]C[Deich [5k\]: game over and b wins
fairgo1 [10k\]: wow
fairgo1 [10k\]: that's a big moyo
coo31k [-\]: moyo?
Deich [5k\]: isnt a moyo^
Deich [5k\]: its territory
coo31k [-\]: o ok
fairgo1 [10k\]: why did white let black get it
fairgo1 [10k\]: same thing
Deich [5k\]: moyo most often is an invitation to invade^
Deich [5k\]: no its not
fairgo1 [10k\]: O_O
celebrir [1k\]: moyo at the end of the gme would be somehow crazy^^°
Deich [5k\]: importend difference
fairgo1 [10k\]: nvm
Deich [5k\]: iyou really schould understand the idea of a moyo to improve^
fairgo1 [10k\]: >.>
fairgo1 [10k\]: i am improving
fairgo1 [10k\]: =)
coo31k [-\]: wats moyo
Deich [5k\]: like you want
fairgo1 [10k\]: >.>
Deich [5k\]: he dosnt like any hints
fairgo1 [10k\]: ?
fairgo1 [10k\]: who?
Deich [5k\]: i dont like this guys : you wanna help but
ryot [14k\]: I think white won....
fairgo1 [10k\]: what?
USGO7 [-\]: The players are now counting the game.  Ing rules of course.
Knotwilg [2d\]: Deich: let's all try to improve
fairgo1 [10k\]: k
Deich [5k\]: sure i do
ryot [14k\]: Did white win?
AndrewY [10k\]: No. B wins by 3 points. xD
ryot [14k\]: 3?
Deich [5k\]: bit again: the differnce between a moyo and territory is quite importend in go
fairgo1 [10k\]: important*
coo31k [-\]: wats moyo
Deich [5k\]: thats what i tryed to explain him
Knotwilg [2d\]: you're right about that
ryot [14k\]: oh......black won by 11.....
fairgo1 [10k\]: who?
Malingo [4d\]: dont trust se
Pinchilei [2d\]: -komi
USGO7 [-\]: Black has one the game by 3 points.
ryot [14k\]: 3?
Deich [5k\]: thx USGO^
ryot [14k\]: 3 is FAR away from 11......
AndrewY [10k\]: 3. Thank you for putting up the game. ^.^
Pinchilei [2d\]: 3 is 11 - komi :)
Knotwilg [2d\]: 8 komi is heavy
ryot [14k\]: There was 8 komi?  wow...
fairgo1 [10k\]: 8?
USGO7 [-\]: Thanks everyone for joining the resumption of our game.  Be sure to come back in 4.5 hours for this evenings 3rd round of the North 
fairgo1 [10k\]: i thought it was 7
USGO7 [-\]: American Ing Championship
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